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marashroomi
06:50 pm - What's the Hell?
Okay, niarbehtnozyob has mentioned the hell that govies go through and claims nobody who hasn't been there for the duration can understand it. Can some of you at least try to give me some idea of what he means? I understand that you can't drive, you have silly curfews, and substance induced and/or sexual debauchery is out unless you want a ticket home. You're on a very short leash that is much tighter than the one my 'rents put on me. I also gather that the Administration people are douchebags who are just collecting a paycheck and don't like teenagers and the RAs are mostly losers who went to second rate colleges, didn't make the grades to get into grad school, and can't get real jobs creating the effect of being babysat by dumb older siblings. I understand most of the boys are gay, too; which is good for gay boys but sucks for straight girls. Still, this doesn't really give me a picture of why so many say they hate it and compare it to going through hell. I want vivid descriptions! On the upside, I understand that the teachers are awesome and it's the best arts training you can get in South Carolina. I don't want to read the good stuff, though. Just the shit. C'mon, Govies. Vent like only inmates of a prison for artistically gifted youth can. What are your top ten most hellish moments? Is it really "moments" or more like Chinese water torture? I may want to go, but I want to be FULLY informed as to what I'll be getting into.

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From:gumby32
Date:November 10th, 2004 03:13 am (UTC)
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who the hell are you
From:singintoastchee
Date:November 10th, 2004 05:56 am (UTC)
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HAHA. that made me laugh really hard.
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From:allieballie514
Date:November 10th, 2004 03:19 am (UTC)
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Well most of the things you named are true, but there is a slight correction I could make about the RA's. Most get the job as an RA and go to grad school at the same time (usually at furman or clemson, since they're close by). And the majority of them are pretty intelligent and are artistically inclined. Hell, some of them are damn cool too. I would count the RA's (with the exception of one) as a positive, not a negative.

But you said you wanted the shit. And here I will give it to you:
1. Absolutely no privacy. If the RAs think you even smell like smoke, you'd better believe your room is getting searched
2. They catch you smoking ONE CIGARETTE (even if you're 18) and your ass is on downtown restriction for about a month
3. There's a big problem with stealing in the dorms...last year it was a HUGE issue that never got solved
4. If you have any VERY close friends of the same sex, don't be surprised if rumors go around accusing you of being a lesbian. Hey, it happens
5. Lack of sleep sucks, but you've gotta get used to 3-5 hours a night....REAL FAST
6. It's extremely difficult at first learning to juggle your art classes, academic classes, studying, and rehearsals/open studio/practice
7. You drift apart from all your best friends at home...NO EXCEPTIONS. it always happens. it can happen in the first three months, or it may take well into your senior year. but it'll happen
8. you're not supposed to have a job while you're there, but you're constantly spending money. and we all know its a pain in the ass tryin to get weekly deposits into our bank account from the parentals. they're so stingy
9. (if you're a musician) you have to wear those ugly ass all-school choir dresses


Okay I was trying to do well and get exactly 10...but I couldn't think of anymore. And after listing all that bad stuff it makes me feel terrible, because it makes it seem like I hated GS. In reality, it was the best experience ever. You come out of that school with a completely different perspective than you had going in. And the friendships you form are incredible. There's nothing like it, and it's better than any "normal" public high school on the planet. Not to mention, it has the longest name:
The Virginia Uldrick Campus of the South Carolina Governor's School for the Arts and Humanities

Anyone have anything else to add?

-Allie Whittle c/o 2004
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From:mbmargarita
Date:November 10th, 2004 03:57 am (UTC)
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I am personally NOT such a fan of the RA's. I had one who was Satan and one who was nice, but as a rule I dislike a lot more of them than I do like. To generalize grossly, they are lazy, play favorites, go on power trips, treat you like children, do a lot of "because I said so!" treat you like you have no rights, make arbitrary rules "for your own good" and look for ways to get you in trouble. Oh, and read our livejournals. *Waves hi to the RA's* Eat shit and die, Anna T Copland.

And then one big difference between summer and year-long SCGSAH is the academics. Some teachers are great, and some suck ass, and the problem is that unlike in a regular school, there aren't enough that you can avoid the sucky ones.

And hey Allie, call me crazy but I liked the All-School choir dresses ok. :)
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From:themoods
Date:November 10th, 2004 06:37 am (UTC)
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umm i didnt drift from my best friend, if anything, it made our friendship better. thats all i have
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From:elizaveta
Date:November 10th, 2004 03:44 am (UTC)
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I made a long, drawn out comment, then deleted it. I think I was being too harsh, and like Justin said--- who are you, anyway? It seems a little weird that you just made this account today and haven't posted anywhere but here.

I'll just briefly state the things that have bothered me:
--indifference from some of the RAs (although the one who just checked me in was really sweet)
--general self-absorption among the student body
--rivalry between the departments
--inflexible (and sometimes seemingly arbitrary) rules

I wouldn't say that the RAs are dumb, or losers, but there are some who really seem to dislike their job. The administration actually seem to be more understanding than a lot of people give them credit for.
From:theoriginal
Date:November 10th, 2004 03:48 am (UTC)
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1. ridiculous amounts of bullshit
2. ridiculous amounts of bullshit
3. ridiculous amounts of bullshit
4. ridiculous amounts of bullshit
5. ridiculous amounts of bullshit
6. ridiculous amounts of bullshit
7. ridiculous amounts of bullshit
8. ridiculous amounts of bullshit
9. ridiculous amounts of bullshit
10. ridiculous amounts of bullshit

who the hell are you anyways?
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From:elizaveta
Date:November 10th, 2004 03:54 am (UTC)
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first of all, that's a wonderfully concise list.

secondly:
whoever this person is made this account 20 min. or something before they posted this thing. right now I would make a pun on the word "fishy" somehow managing to incorporate that horrible fish fry smell that seeps into the lobby from the RA kitchen, but that would be too much effort.

too bad--- I could've gotten fishiness and the RAs in both at once!
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From:singintoastchee
Date:November 10th, 2004 06:31 am (UTC)
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"at least college dorms have cable in the rooms."
HAHA! HA! YOU SO FUNNY! After 9/11 we don't get any channels at all.

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From:themoods
Date:November 10th, 2004 06:42 am (UTC)
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child i wore pyjamas every damn day of my life and uldrick didnt dare mess with me
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From:chanel_nicole
Date:November 10th, 2004 10:36 pm (UTC)
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you can't where flip-flops?
From:singintoastchee
Date:November 10th, 2004 06:48 am (UTC)
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um, essentially it was this.

we had no freedom at school, but relatively more freedom at home. we could go where we pleased, how we dressed, eat good foods, etc etc. the problem is that you lose an enormous amount of freedom there- on all accounts. And it's not so bad until the little things really start to get to you.

Examples:
  • I got written up because my ride to pick me up for church was late and I didn't sign out

  • one sunday night, a girl on my hall and I wanted to study but both of our roommates were asleep. So we decided to QUIETLY study in the hall. Our RA at TWO AM checks the security cameras, sees us there, and tells us that she's writing us up for a curfew violation. As in, we have to be in our rooms and being curteous to our roommates deserves punishment. So we received it.

  • Wanting to study until midnight with my calculus teacher for an AP exam, going through the residential life only to tell eighteen year olds that they aren't allowed to study late because they might bother other people, FORGET THE FACT that they come barging in our room at one am to check us in.

  • having to leave the lobby every week night at 9:57 sharp or else!

  • being reduced to kindergardeners. I had an RA yell at me because I was blocking the doorway- completely unnecessary. They pull an enormous amount of bullshit on you and I'm not delving into any subjective psychology because that is unfair. I don't know what their deal is, but having two years of it, ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU ARE EIGHTEEN! can get pretty fucking old

    The academics, in my opinion, are terrible. Four exceptions: Dr. Thomas, (English) Mrs. Allen, (History) Ms. Shantz, (English) and Mr. Godfrey. (History) OK and Mr. Franks too, he is english. But if you're a math person (me), prepare to be frustrated. I did come from an elite private school, so I'm more subjective.

    Interdepartmental competition is annoying. Essentially, dancers are stupid, vocalists are too. Vocalists do the least work and receive the most attention and that is that. Sucks to be you if you're a strings student. I can't say anything about Drama, Visual Arts, Dance or Creative Writing except for grossly over simplified judgemental remarks. In my opinion, the Creative Writing or Visual Arts department are the bests ones overall. (And I'm in music, so what do I know).

    Basically, everyone thinks they're the best. Don't give in (but it's REALLY easy to).

    The administration sucks and emulates an Orwellian type government. They will fuck with your freedom and schedule. Virginia Uldrick and Chris Carbaugh were the best, and once they left, it all went downhill. You will have to get over this.

    Sleep deprivation? give me a break. big fucking deal. you'll get over this and soon invest in caffine pills, TRUST ME.

    But overall, if you are stable(!), I would recommend the Governor's Jail for the Arts and Humanities. As terrible as we make it out to be, it's one experience that I'm glad I didn't pass up. And I am saying this at quarter of two in the morning, but the friendships you will form there are nothing like you'll find anywhere else, so long as the administration does not conquer us all. You will meet some amazing kids. You will feel no pressure to drink or party or do any of that bullshit on the weekends, NONE. You can go to bed at 8 if you wish. Or you can dance naked with your roommate, it's all up to you.

    So go do it. See what it's all about. Yes, the stress is heavy, but you'll have it in college, so do yourself a favor and get adjusted early because it WILL help you out when you have time management to deal with PLUS really really hard classes and professors who say they only give out one A. Anyway.

    Last wrong thing with the Virginia Uldrick South Carolina Governor's School for the Arts and Humanities: it is a bitch to write on college applications in the teeny weeny space they give you.

    I went there for piano, email me at carholland@vassar.edu if you have any questions about it or my overall fabulousness.

    Carrie
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    From:allieballie514
    Date:November 10th, 2004 12:40 pm (UTC)
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    Carrie Holland, I must say that you are the fucking coolest bitch in the whole world! And I'm damn glad we were on the same hall for two years $#*@)&#%)*%@)#(*

    Allie
    From:singintoastchee
    Date:November 10th, 2004 04:22 pm (UTC)
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    OK addendum: about dancers and vocalists "being stupid," I do not mean that AT ALL. I was poking at these gross generalizations that departments make about each other. You can find examples to say that they are stupid, but you can find many who refute the argument. I wrote this at 2:30 AM, give me some slack.

    And also: when I was talking about schools and no freedom, I first meant at your old school (well for you, current school), you don't have a lot of freedom, but then when you go home at 3pm you have it. At Governor's School, both are leveled (well not anymore from what I hear, that shit is like Auschwitz), and many times it sucks.
    From:marashroomi
    Date:November 10th, 2004 08:42 pm (UTC)
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    What exactly happens when you get written up? Do you have a chance to defend yourself if you’ve been caught in a Catch 22 or it’s from an RA just being an arbitrary asshole? If one comes barging into your room at 1 a.m. and wakes you up, do you at least get the liberty to tell them to fuck off without getting in trouble for it? If my parents did that, they’d surely get an earful. They don’t ever touch you, do they? If I’d only had a couple of hours of sleep, felt irritable to begin with, was wired on caffeine, got backed into a corner over some stupid bullshit by somebody I already didn’t like, and that person put their hands on me, I’ve had enough martial arts training that my instinctive reaction might just be to break off their arm and beat them to death with it. Yes, believe it or not, I AM stable and generally sweet and nonviolent as long as I’ve had my beauty rest. hehehehe

    Except for the ability to make contacts with whom to drink beer in the woods after football games, the school I’m at this year totally bites donkey boners in most subjects, so anything would have to be academically better. If I stay here, I’m definitely going to graduate a year early. Do they let you do that at the Governor’s School? If so, do they let juniors who want to graduate take time off to interview or audition for out-of-state colleges? Have you ever heard of anybody interviewing/auditioning for a college in an arts area different from the one they take at the school? Sorry for all the questions. I probably sound like a negative bitch, but going would be a major life decision and I want to know as much as I can.

    Oh, yeah. You guys really ought to start putting reviews on http://us.ratemyteachers.com/ - especially graduates. You can be totally honest without consequences. I guess the Nazis might come after the current students.
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    From:xtcofthedreamz
    Date:November 10th, 2004 08:21 pm (UTC)
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    I just wasted about 10 minutes of my time laughing my ass off at the randomness of these comments, and figured I should comment my hate for the school. Also notice that mostly girls are commenting...we ARE lj bitches aren't we? I didn't really want to complain, and I all wanted to say was Raffy: I met this guy who reminded me EXACTLY of you...Allie: I swear to god I heard your laugh today, and Carrie-mur: I'm wearing the scarf you gave me for my birthday last year, RIGHT now. Y'all wish me a happy birthday tomorrow ;)

    Muchos love-os,
    Abbay
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    From:allieballie514
    Date:November 11th, 2004 01:59 am (UTC)
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    Aw Abby I miss you! Charlotte lives two doors down from me, and we tried calling Tomcula a few weeks ago and left him this really fun voicemail. It probably sounded like we were drunk. I MISS THEORY CLASS WITH YOU!!!!!

    Love, Allie
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    From:goophywhytegurl
    Date:November 10th, 2004 08:52 pm (UTC)
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    hahaha!! HELLZ YEAH ABBY!

    i find it rather un-nerving that -you- (marashroomi) wont even say your name, and that you have perfect punctuation and grammar...damn, even a fuckin semi colon was used....i would havta agree with someone ^ there who posted...could it be, an RA? wouldnt put it past them. oh well... have fun at the SCGSAH camp for the bitchy, constantly ridiculed, unsleeping, overachiving, rule hating campus! hmm...ten things i hate? nosey mothafuckas (x10)...

    <3.
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    From:allieballie514
    Date:November 11th, 2004 02:14 am (UTC)
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    Hell yeah, I forgot to add to my big list up there that NARCS FUCKING SUCK! There's a big problem with people NOT minding their own damn business and ratting people out for unimportant, silly shit. Why? There's no damn tellin. If it weren't for damn narcs, my roommate/COOLEST BITCH EVER/Haley Culp wouldn't have gotten kicked out on the 5th day of school last year. So if you go, keep your mouth shut about shit that doesn't concern you, or I promise that people will hate you forever.
    On a happier note, if you DO go, have fun and make friends w/the security guards. Even Jack.
    From:iheartboxes3
    Date:November 10th, 2004 10:27 pm (UTC)

    I completely agree

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    I completely agree with everything everyone has said.

    I also agree with Elizaveta. Marashroomi, you are fishy. Why would you make a new account to ask a question? There are ways to block the question if you didn't want anyone else to read it. Why come to this community? How did you know there was a "Govie" community? Hm...

    But everything everyone has said, I raise my hand in agreement. "Aye"

    It's only been 3 months and I have already been called an asshole, and stupid and incompatent by the same RA.

    Granted, I do like downtown being my backyard, but limits are too strict for me. People aren't able to go to church without going out of bounds? crazyness.

    I still smell that nasty fishy smell....huh...

    Marashroomi...care to share that other LJ you have? I mean if you claim to be who you are, you wouldn't mind...right?

    Signed,
    Curious Harry
    From:iheartboxes3
    Date:November 10th, 2004 10:29 pm (UTC)

    and also

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    You haven't posted anything in your LJ yet and all your friends are govies. and your community is only govies....

    Excuse me but are we having fish tonight? I smell fish.
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    From:davysez
    Date:November 11th, 2004 01:36 am (UTC)
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    If you are really considering applying, why do you just want to know our top ten hellish moments? Why would you want to listen to our venting? Are you trying to find reasons not to come? Wouldn't you want to know, instead, if our hellish moments (or two years) is really worth it in the end? The greater the reward, the greater the challenge. And believe me, this school will challenge you.

    It isn't perfect by any stretch of the imagination. However the administration doesn't hate us. In fact I might argue that they are simply too concerned about us, to the point it can begin to prevent us from practicing our art form. (They've started locking the studios, which to me, seems so counter intuitive at an arts school)

    Everyone else has pretty much covered all the various annoying things, however it is important to point out that I would rather be here than back at my home high school. And I think most govies would agree with me. If you come here and realize you were happier at home, the guess what? You can always go back. GS definitely isn't for everyone. Several students do make that decision every year.

    I think it would be a nice gesture if you let us know who you are. If your journal is so private and personal, then why aren't your entries private? I honestly don't think you are an RA. I know they have a hard time getting a life, but how enjoyable can it be trying to incite us to "vent like only inmates of a prison for the artistically gifted can?" If you don't want RAs finding out shit about you from LJ, then make sure you don't openly publicize the shit you do like a dumbass.

    David
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    From:marashroomi
    Date:November 11th, 2004 02:43 am (UTC)
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    I dunno ... I read this whole group including the part about last year's rave thingy and there was so much vague, negative stuff said that I felt like I had to ask for some detail about exactly what goes on that makes people go crazy and even become self destructive. I think I've read enough to have a decent idea, now. It's basically the accumulation of chickenshit from the powers that be building up on the nerves over time. If I get in, I guess I'll give it a try though I have to say I'm apprehensive. (I'll be SOOOOO enthusiastic in my auditions/interviews. LOL )

    Most of my LJ is private and the rest is friends only with pics and my name all over it. Now I feel like I've stirred up a bunch of shit and I REALLY wouldn't feel comfortable saying who I am. Sorry if that makes me remain fishy. I doubt I'll post here anymore for the time being. The next time, it will be with my real LJ and I'll never admit this was me. I should be long forgotten by then and enough people here write in complete sentences that I doubt I could be identified. ;)

    If the RAs really are reading all this, maybe what's been written will make them think twice about how they treat people. From what I've been told, they don't admit kids with discipline records to the school and if people become problems while there, something is very wrong. I hope I haven't caused any real problems. Sorry if I have.

    Marashroomi ... OUT!

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